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William Ess

<t>kason01;466104 wrote: I hear people speaking in tongue all the time. The church that I have recently been attending, speaks in tongue like it is English. I was so shocked sort of speak because I had never seen or actually heard anyone speak in tongue. But it is another language and you will be so...

William Ess

<t>spot;462891 wrote: "obfuscation" doesn't quite convey your bullying style at all. I prefer the "kicking sand" analogy, myself. I'm not interested in either placating you or soothing your simulation of ruffled feathers. And stop calling a discussion a debate, while you're at it. I...

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<t>spot;462886 wrote: Kicking sand and sidestepping questions you prefer not to address rank high among them. As in:William, if you've finished throwing sand into our eyes for the time being, can you go back and give counter-examples relating to "there was so much popular support for the Independenc...

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spot;460902 wrote: .............regardless of William's unpleasant ways. .

I have been unable to maintain the debate due to my having been away for a few days but before I do perhaps you could enlarge upon the libel given above. What are these unpleasant ways?

William Ess

YZGI;460175 wrote: The British would have liked that the Irish and the Scottish not have any say either but they fought and won some power so now they have some say. .

How on earth do you arrive at this wonderful conclusion?

William Ess

<t>YZGI;460160 wrote: The unpleasant truth is that the American Negro has a far stronger claim to America than many of the whites. I dont understand this. In what way? Why? On the basis that the American Negro was present in America far earlier than many of the White set...

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ArnoldLayne;460119 wrote: Exactly William, I tired from an early age of that little epithet "Children should be seen and not heard"

Speaking as a parent (and Grandparent), I am a strong advocate of 'seen and not heard'.

William Ess

<t>YZGI;460099 wrote: So now you equate segregation with slavery. I agree segregation in itself is abominable but to say it is slavery is the same. You don't own segregated people you just seperate them. I was referring to the time table on your abolition not the square miles of it. ...

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ArnoldLayne;460069 wrote: Or maybe just be seen and not heard, like the children of my parents generation

I don't want to seem unreasonably pedantic but the children of your parent's generation includes you.

William Ess

<t>ArnoldLayne;460010 wrote: Conversation, even of emotive or controversial subjects can be conducted from a level platform. I am afraid that is not so. A debate worthy of the name can only be conducted between individuals who share a common level of knowledge about the subject in ...

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<t>YZGI;459910 wrote: Am I reading this correctly? You are saying the US had slavery up until 1960? I believe we had a civil war that although maybe not immediately but effectively abolished slavery In 1865. I understand that the British may have abolished slavery 35 years earlier which is great but...

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<t>ArnoldLayne;459865 wrote: And of course only the opinion of the select few is of any importance. My education never took me to within a hundred miles of the great halls of Oxbridge but that never stopped my feeble attempts at voicing my opinion, even when it is ignored by some. I...

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Accountable;459743 wrote: Based on your posts, I don't think you'd notice or care if you had.

I won't dignify your silliness with a reply except to remark that your presence is one of the reasons why so few people of education take part in these debates.

William Ess

<t>spot;459730 wrote: You mentioned it while blackguarding the Scots, as I recall. I brought the place back to the thread in the context of popular support for independence movements. Are we to avoid mentioning a country in more than one context? Can I pre-empt any subsequent discussion of Hong Kong...

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<t>spot;459715 wrote: I've been very good, I haven't once brought up the celebrations at the collapse of White Supremacist rule in South Africa. That wasn't a popular movement for independence either in your eyes, I expect. Nelson Mandela had no mandate in assuming the Presidency, perhaps. Maybe the...

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<t>spot;459715 wrote: I've been very good, I haven't once brought up the celebrations at the collapse of White Supremacist rule in South Africa. That wasn't a popular movement for independence either in your eyes, I expect. Nelson Mandela had no mandate in assuming the Presidency, perhaps. Maybe the...

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<t>spot;459707 wrote: William, if you're going to tell me I lie at least give me some evidence at the same time - just to make it slightly more polite, you know?Massive celebrations ensued. There were fireworks, torchlit processions, gun salutes, parades and the sounding of conch horns, bells and si...

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spot;459435 wrote: You don't perhaps wonder, then, why there was so much popular support for the Independence movements in those countries?

That is just it. There was very little support for such movements.

William Ess

yorkster;459367 wrote: a quote by Reginald Kray

If Reginald Kray made an assertion, that in itself was a convincing reason for believing the opposite.

William Ess

<t>spot;459275 wrote: How is it that you pose tasks without giving your own viewpoint, William? I did just finish Paul Johnson's "A history of the American people" this week, it's still fairly fresh in my mind. What's your point, as regards "the administration of pre-1776 America"? ...

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<t>twizzel;459262 wrote: The reason your children and mine do not see a problem is that they are indoctrinated with an anti English corriculem, my daughter has refused to listen her whole life when I have tried to rell her about her countries great history. Now she is studying law and history at uni...

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spot;459172 wrote: At the time of Europe's Gilded age, all of the colonized areas of North America were run from Europe and the settlers from Britain were still British Nationals.

Perhaps you should look more closely into the administration of pre-1776 America.

William Ess

<r>Scrat;458765 wrote: This is a very vague statement cosidering the last 3 or 4 hundred years were the height of colonization from Europe and some of the largest exoduses from Europe to the New World and we all know why that occured. Nice how you side step some of the realities of Europe...

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<t>spot;458676 wrote: I'm as unwilling to pry as you are to explain, it would seem. It is, of course, as both of us are fully aware, none of my business how you came to be there at that point in history. It is, as you say, none of your business. However, I had no interest, vested or...

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<t>spot;458669 wrote: I had taken you to mean you were one of the many expatriate children obliged to return to the homeland by reason of national independence when the Union Flag was finally lowered, William, not that you were a government employee. No, I most certainly was not.</t>

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<t>spot;458665 wrote: At last, the lightbulb goes on. Finally I understand. As an unofficial spokesman for the British Government, William, I belatedly offer an apology for what you were put through. I had no idea you were one of the victims. You most certainly do not und...

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<t>spot;458659 wrote: Where do you get your "knowledge" of the state of - since you've raised them as an example - these "primitive" Zulus? . Apart from myriad reports that had no reason to be biased, I saw it for myself - and that was only sixty years ago. In the time that we had a...

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<t>Scrat;458516 wrote: What's the difference between naked savages and the ones that wore clothes? If I took the trouble to tell you, I doubt if you would understand. For the best part of a thousand years, in Britain (and to a lesser extent much of Europe) the majority of people hav...

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<t>gmc;458245 wrote: I think in the interests of consistency you should also question the position of our half breed german queen and her refugee greek husband. Send them packing and confiscate all the land and property they have stiolen from the indigenous british people. All this ...

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<t>spot;457586 wrote: By Europeans? I'm sure you'll find that there were lots of people living there long before Stanley "opened the continent" to exploitation and religious conversion. It's a matter of regret that the aboriginal populations weren't strong enough to resist the incursion. Diversity i...

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<t>spot;457568 wrote: William, one of the fat books on the shelf in front of me as I type is Thomas Pakenham's "The Scramble for Africa". To suggest that I'm an untutored lout may be accurate but it's relative, and I have done at least a modicum of background study - I did finish reading his book, f...

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<t>spot;457564 wrote: That quaint one-way "show us your sources" again? Many people who immigrated to the UK have a permanent right of residence. A proportion of those also have UK citizenship. Some have children born in the UK, who also have a permanent right of residence and ...

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<t>spot;457519 wrote: Every few months you get someone attracted to Forumgarden by this damned thread. They jump in, it's their first place to post, it's why they're here. Eventually they go away. I don't like such people, I don't get on with them, I apologise to the rest of the world for them. They...

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<r>spot;457532 wrote: <URL url="http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-castrati.html">http://www.usrf.org/news/010308-castrati.html</URL> The idea that the establishment of the British Empire was a measure to improve the lot of the benighted heathen is a sickening reversal of historical fact.<b...

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<t>Bryn Mawr;457258 wrote: If you claim that non of your ancesters benefitted from the BE then you cannot be British. I've kept out of this thread up until now but If this is a taste of your thinking the get you the hell off of this board and back into the sh!thole you've crawlled out of....

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<t>yorkster;456991 wrote: I have toyed with the idea that to be born in Britain does not make one British & I am certainly well aware that many people who hold a British passport do not regard themselves as British.. Traditionally one took the nationality of one's parents althou...

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<t>[QUOTE=yorkster; To meet someone to the right of me is quite unexpected. I have toyed with the idea that to be born in Britain does not make one British & I am certainly well aware that many people who hold a British passport do not regard themselves as British.Maybe in the future ...

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<t>yorkster;456852 wrote: In my opinion the UK has become a victim of it's own tolerant nature. Infact we could deal with the situation but our nation would have to take a step backwards & fight intolerance with intolerance. . I believe the first thing we must have - as a matter...

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<t>Adam Zapple;456829 wrote: The above is an exerpt from the excellent book "Menace in Europe" by Claire Berlinski. I recommend everyone grab a copy of this book. I think the book merely confirms what many of us have suspected for very many years. We will, I am sure, liv...

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<t>spot;456672 wrote: Time will cure all things, William. Thank God that reactionary old intransigents finally cash in their chips. My children don't find it "intolerable", I don't find it "intolerable". Another fifty years and the average citizen in the UK will have the same view of racial intolera...

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Yorkster should congratulated for putting into words what many people would like to say but are afraid to. Frankly it is intolerable that any town in England should have a 4% Asian population, let alone 40%.

We have been invaded but what can we do about it.

William Ess

I have neither the experience nor evidence to state that the phenomenon is a fraud but I cannot see the purpose of it in a gathering of fifty people who all speak the same language.

William Ess

<t>Nevim wrote: Isn't that rather obivious ? Schoolmasters, etc are not interperting what God has spoken. Yiou worte: 'I should put my trust in someone I don't know from Adam.' You didn't qualify it as being limited to matters of divinity. Is an intimate likely to be mo...

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<t>Nevim wrote: I disagree, I should put my trust in someone I don't know from Adam, or; whether or not he is even a Christian and filled with the Spirit..no way. Almost everything you learn about anything comes from someone you don't know from Adam. Schoolmasters, University Lectu...

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<t>Bryn Mawr wrote: This is a million miles away from someone speaking gibberish no-one else understand that has to be "interpreted" for the assembled people. Far from one person speaking so that all can understand, whichever language they speak themselves, the modern speaking in tongues ...

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<t>Ted wrote: William:-6 If we look to NT Greek we find there are three words used for love; transliterated is eros=romantic or sexual love, phileo=the love between brothers or family or friends and has not sexual implications, and agape=the unconditional love that God has for his people...

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<t>Ted wrote: A few comments. Of course the parable of the meeting on the mountain between Moses and God was written to assert that these laws were approved by God. As far as them being absolute, I can't accept that. Morality can be and is relative. William does not see starvation as a re...

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<t>Ted wrote: I can agree with the idea that without love one becomes a noisy gong. The lack of love can and does show through what some people say and how they treat others. Shalom Ted:-6 I am not sure what you mean by this. The word 'love' has become rather d...

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<t>Nevim wrote: Hi William, let me address your postion and use other Scriptures. All the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are a SIGN and signs point to things----------> here the Gifts point to the Giver of Life the Messiah Yeshua. The Gifts of the Spirit are for today just as much as yesterday-------><br/...

William Ess

<r>Nevim wrote: The thing to remember here is that there are 120 disciples all speaking in Tongues can you image a Pole a German a Englishman a greek etc. etc. all speaking at once ! It would sound like gibberish--the thing is they all hear in their own tongue...they could have been saying lah, lah ...

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