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<t>anastrophe wrote: i love the reference to how our tax system is generous to the wealthy. The top 10% of wage earners in the united states remit more than 2/3rds of the tax revenues the IRS collects.In any reasonable system of distribution of wealth, there would be no top 10%, all workers would ha...

<t>anastrophe wrote: strange, it looks to me like he referred to U.S. citizens as U.S. citizens. military commands don't refer to military personnel as "U.S. citizens", they refer to them as military personnel. I obviously quoted too much for you to assimilate. General Weyand refers to these 6,000 U...

<t>anastrophe wrote: i'll begrudgingly type in the specifics, but i'd prefer not having to do your homework for you.I don't see why we shouldn't share the effort, since I'm doing all the work on Vietnam. You used the word "canard" on the poor girl, giving her the lie direct. It was your w...

<t>anastrophe wrote: free individuals, unfettered by onerous taxation, have shown time and time again that they wind up giving far more in *direct* aid to those in need than any government bureaucracy is capable of. I'm sure, if that's a quote, that it refers to *some* individuals and it relates to ...

<t>anastrophe wrote: what you call 'democracy' doesn't exist in most nations, and a good thing too. democracy proper formalizes the tyranny of the majority. i prefer our form of government, federal republicanism, which puts a brake on the tyranny of the majority.Ah, well, you keep opening new barrel...

<t>anastrophe wrote: what part of "7000 americans and south vietnamese" don't you understand? those evacuated were not US military, they were american civilians and vietnamese refugees.This is quite interesting, really. I think you might be mistaken but of course, it's not my...

<t>anastrophe wrote: Hint: it has nothing to do with democracy.Perhaps if I translate the French - I am the State. Democracy puts the reins of government into the hands of society at large. anastrophe wrote: Second hint: taxation is the least effective means of promoting the greatest good...

anastrophe wrote: please look up 'ad hominem'. google will likely do adequately well. suggesting that someone has lied is not ad hominem.Good grief... canard, dear boy. canard.

<t>koan wrote: It has come up in a number of threads that people felt they were debating and others felt they were not providing proper arguements to support their position. I looked up 'how to debate well' and found this. It is an interesting and informative read for anyone who likes to debate.I ha...

anastrophe wrote: ad hominem, always one of the lowest forms of rhetoric. try making a cogent argument, it can be so much more satisfying!You just accused the poor girl of the lie direct! - how can you complain of ad hominem attacks after that?

<t>anastrophe wrote: slavery to the state, yes. forcible taking is known in colloquial terms as theft. when the government does it, at the barrel of a gun, it's apparently called charity.L'etat, c'est moi. It's a consequence of democracy. I choose collectively to tax myself in the interest of the re...

anastrophe wrote: stay a bit. rant all you want, we'll just make more. or something like that.Don't let him upset you, Silver, he's had a bad day, he's a bit tired and emotional. Try a different thread, perhaps.

<t>anastrophe wrote: common fallacy. equating "society" with "government".We had a prime minister here, a while back, who took that view. There is no such thing as society, she said, there are only individuals. She raised a lot of hackles. No man is an island, entire of itself. If someone...

<t>SILVER SHE FOXXE wrote: Tripe? Tripe? Did ya have to look that one up in the dictionary?Do you know, Silver, they still serve it at a restaurant half a mile from here, with onions and gravy and mashed potato. Do try to come back, it might seem rocky on occasion but it's truly not bad t...

<t>anastrophe wrote: "'From Each according to his Abilities, To Each according to his Needs' is a pretty sweet deal, if you're a needy incompetent, but it makes a slave of the capable and independent. Advocating such a position says an awful lot about the individual who does so, and which side of th...

<r>anastrophe wrote: pull your head from your arse. The US military exited vietnam in 1973. this is not even a stretch. the US embassy had a small contingent of marines onsite, standard operating procedure around the world. OK, let's close this one down if we can. I've been reading what I hope is a ...

<t>It's an honor to be invited by an American to give my perspective on what benefits America has brought to the world. I recognise that there has been some friction over the past few days. I have repeatedly said that I have many American friends and a great love of that country, and I know that at ...

<t>anastrophe wrote: challenge: write ONE SINGLE SENTENCE spot, that overtly, and honestly, acknowledges that the US has done something, anything, at any time, that is not evil.You'll give me a while, perhaps? My kettle's boiling, and I'll lose the hot water already in the bath if I don't go and use...

<t>lady cop wrote: "published rules" is what i have to live by, the rule of law. sorry. maybe i should just make them up as i go along and only arrest those that annoy me. I see a difference between a school rule book and a legal enactment enforceable by the police, lady. I was discussing the matter...

capt_buzzard wrote: Mr Gerry Adams is president of Provisional IRA Sinn Fein. Mr Rory Brady is president of Republican Real IRA Sinn Fein.Good lord... I had no idea there WAS such a thing!

<r>capt_buzzard wrote: Wrong mister.Captian, that was in response to "Who is the President of Republican Sinn Fein?" - "Gerry Adams"... would you like to tell us what you mean? <URL url="http://www.sinnfein.org/documents/gerry.html">http://www.sinnfein.org/documents/gerry.html</URL> says he is. I'm ...

<t>Jives wrote: I agree with LC. Without rules, we not only don't have a school, we don't have a society.Jives, as a matter of interest, would you describe America these days as authoritarian? There does seem to be a lack of discretion on the part of those handling this incident, and an over-relianc...

<t>capt_buzzard wrote: 70% of Southern Irish people get along very well with our neighbours in the United Kingdom.May I echo that, from the UK side? I've back-packed alone through both Northern Ireland - around Limavady, mostly - and the South, notably from Tara toward the west, and a more beautiful...

<t>anastrophe wrote: back to history 101. once you've looked up the facts properly, come back and report to us. that woudl be great... okay, i'll give you a tiny hint, since you are so blind you will not see: search on "1973". okay? cheerio. I'm not playing that game, anastrophe - i...

<t>anastrophe wrote: so get your facts straight on the above. it is not the thirtieth anniversary of the departure of the US military from Vietnam.What??? May 5, 2005: Thirty years ago, Americans were transfixed by the chaotic images flickering across their TV screens. Hordes of frantic S...

<t>Jives wrote: The "Wedding party" guests were terrorists and terrorist collaborators. They were funneling fighters and weapons across the border. They got what they deserved. Their pathetic attempt to turn it into a media event will only fool those already predisposed to hate America. <...

<t>Jives wrote: I win. ;)This isn't a game, Jives, and there are no winners. There are dead bodies of innocent men, women and children, and there's a man in charge who should express shame for his orders. You seem to have no empathy at all for what was suffered. This is a bit of backgroun...

<t>If we're going to trade other people's opinions, I was quite impressed by this one... The new ugly American by Tess Ellis, Unknown News May 28, 2004 When those in the future look back at this time in history, they can't help but be appalled at the ignor...

Jives wrote: In other words, disagree with the war, but honor the soldier!!! ;)I think my answer to this crossed in the post. Look back one message.

Tennyson was notorious for writing doggerel, after he became Poet Laureate. Have a look at The Revenge, if you don't believe me.

<t>Jives wrote: Hmmm...aside from insulting the honor of every serviceman that ever lived, including my grandfather, father, and myself, and impugning the integrity of decent servicemen the world over, and dragging the values and morals of an entire generation through the mud, I'd say yes...you have...

<t>Jives wrote: The point remains, without the soldiers that you insult and degrade, vicious dictators can do what they will. Your army is all that stands between yourself and slavery to another government.I have no problem with armies being employed for defense. When was the last time the US milita...

<t>Jives wrote: Since they are risking their lives for you, that seems the courteous thing to do. Didn't your mother teach you that?They are not risking their lives for me in the slightest, they are risking their lives for their political masters and for their generous pay packets. If any of them ar...

<t>Philadelphia Eagle wrote: I, and I suspect many others, find your anti-American, socialist rantings obnoxious and rude.That's supposed to deter me from expressing my opinion? Philadelphia Eagle wrote: You obviously have an obsession with our military.Well what a surprise - this is, aft...

<t>I regret seeing David Trimble leave the stage of British Politics. I had hoped, in an optimistic flight of fancy, that the Conservative and Unionist Party might select him as their replacement leader now that Michael Howard is stepping down, but that was never really on the cards. He's one of the...

<t>Of course I realize it, PE. You've told us, we've read it, we take it into consideration. There seems to be a taboo, these days, along the lines of "the members of our Armed Forces are wonderful people, we admire them immensely for their potential sacrifice, let's applaud whenever they...

SILVER SHE FOXXE wrote: I'm so glad I live in Canada...truly the land of the free and the home of the brave!!Welcome to the Garden, Silver She Foxxe. I've never heard anyone make so much noise as they came in through the door! - I couldn't agree more with every word of that.

<r>I came across this in a speech (<URL url="http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2005/05/06/59626.html">http://newsfromrussia.com/main/2005/05/06/59626.html</URL>) delivered yesterday in, of all places, Germany, by Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation - "The population must not associate t...

<t>Rather than allow the Wedding Party debacle to be forgotten, may we discuss it for a few minutes? '"These were more than two dozen military-age males. Let's not be naive," Major General James Mattis, commander of the US 1st Marine Division, said. But he had no explanation of where the ...

<t>flopstock wrote: your link is to an oped page not hard news. I'm watching the ap wire at work and will let you know if i see anything cross.It's shown up so far on Washington Post, KPLC-TV, LA, WorldNetDaily, OR, Asheville Citizen-Times, NC, WFIE-TV, IN, Joplin Independent, MO, Newsday, NY, the A...

<t>anastrophe wrote: okey dokey. 'original reports'. i just don't know what to make of any of this any more.Original reports. As in, an original Associated Press report of an event, or an original Reuters report of an event, as opposed to various newspapers all of which have copied from a single suc...

<t>anastrophe wrote: uh, google?You feel that the original transcripts of evidence on these deaths are available through google? You're demented. And I'm not relying on single sources. Most of what I understand of this comes through a series of UK news articles from an investigative reporting team t...

The whole concept of "zero tolerance" is becoming more and more embedded in society. Rules take over from guidelines and judgement. If that's the way you want to organize your lives, then that's what you get. It's people who are behaving in this way, not robots.

canaan wrote: I would have to know exactly what the pastor said. Bitter church members aren't the most credible bunch.That's a fair take, canaan. I only asked because it was a local paper, you'd expect them to feel a backlash if they lied too much about local issues.

<t>anastrophe wrote: the actual transcripts, as i said.I doubt whether I have access to them. Have you access to them? Can you direct me to them? anastrophe wrote: ...no, i'm not saying that. thanks for asking, better than just putting the words in my mouth then attacking me for them!<br/...

<r>Is <URL url="http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/mambo1115412985"><LINK_TEXT text="http://www.joplinindependent.com/displa ... 1115412985">http://www.joplinindependent.com/display_article.php/mambo1115412985</LINK_TEXT></URL> a hoax, in anyone's opinion? Do people really stand up...

<t>skittles2004 wrote: I asked if we even had homework she replied YES!!! I said under ears hearing"Ahh you suck" she heard me.There's a lot of "you deserved it" advice there. Let me try to balance it. Firstly, Skittles, you're at school because you've no choice in the matter. Society dem...

<t>anastrophe wrote: 1. you are basing your opinion, apparently, exclusively on the seattle times article, which is a reprint of an article from the washington post. this is not exactly 'going to the source'.And these, you suggest, are not journals of record? Do please suggest a source I should go t...

<t>Good one, Hawke. It might be appropriate to add some words from Samuel Johnson, who famously castigated what became known later as Jingoism with the words "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." With regard, then, to the Patriot Act, and the Terror Alert Color Change...

You sit there with a 12-pack of Budweiser next to your ankle?

XbabeX wrote: asl everyoneMy goodness. Or is it "yikes!", these days?

You work out your own picture of A, and sometimes even S, in your own head, as you go along, young lady. Asl is so terribly nineties.

As for L, I'm sure you can find a pop-up book of flags somewhere.

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