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<t>Ahso!;1475852 wrote: So, if I can show you that your Jesus was not the first to advocate this you'll agree that your Jesus had nothing special to teach? It is the collective of Jesus' teachings that are unique; show another person that put the collective of the teachings that Jes...

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<t>Ahso!;1474755 wrote: That's the only one you wish to cite - the intent behind the "teaching" of "Love your enemies"? Nothing else is attributable to Jesus exclusively? That exclusive quote brings the whole issue of moral perfection into focus. If you cannot love the worst: you wi...

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<t>spot;1474038 wrote: We can work that up, I expect. It means you've thrown logic and moral integrity out the window by opting for an exclusive communal dogma. On the contrary, if you believe in doing good at all costs: then you and Jesus both stand for moral...

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<t>High Threshold;1474033 wrote: REPRINT paraphrase of post #31: "It means that you've tossed logic out the window and opted for superstition". On the contrary: in order for someone to believe in something, that does not make logical sense: they truly would have to be ins...

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<t>Ahso!;1474023 wrote: To your post; it's interesting that the head of the household could stand for the righteousness of the entire family. It must have made Paul's mission (as unsavory as it was) quite difficult when offering his salvation to the Romans. Females and young adults had to be able to...

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<t>Ahso!;1474004 wrote: Would you mind telling me what it is exactly that this Jesus character taught that was so exclusive to him? "Love your enemies" is not a quote I could find prior to Jesus. To me this is the most important statement that has ever been made, because it totally ...

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FourPart;1474001 wrote: As I said earlier - he never professed to be the Messiah - the Christ. It's his followers that have blown it all out of context.

If he did or didn't it still wouldn't change the importance of embracing the good he taught.

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<t>FourPart;1473998 wrote: Change the word "Christ" to "Jesus" and I would agree with you. I can accept the teachings of a man, but not a title later bestowed on that man by superstitious fanatics who make the claim of his being some divinity. Okay I did: you will see I actually edi...

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<t>FourPart;1473986 wrote: I often feel awkward about even using the term "Christianity" when referring to Jesus, as it presupposes that he was the Christ - the Messiah. Christ was not his name - it was the title given to him by subsequent generations & the sect named accordingly. I can accept t...

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<t>High Threshold;1473935 wrote: Look, I'm saying that Jesus did not full-fill the criteria of â€œMessiahâ€, as Judaic believe had describe Him and/or the prophecies for Mankind at the time of His expected arrival. I can give you a list of those but I don't think it matters at this moment. You are ...

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LarsMac;1473929 wrote: Makes sense to me.

care to enlighten us?

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<t>High Threshold;1473885 wrote: Do you not understand English? "Grandad will arrive in a Morris Minor and upon arriving he will then discard the Morris and peddle his push bike the rest of the journey" ....... is not the the same thing as, "He will arrive on a push bike." Does anyo...

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<t>FourPart;1473890 wrote: Exactly the point. It is in YOUR consciousness that tells you that reality is not real at all & that the world exists only in YOUR conciousness. Conciousness, by definition is in the mind. The mind is the home of Imagination. Ergo Consciousness is Imagination. Imaginat...

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<t>gmc;1473881 wrote: If consciousness is the only fact it is not rational to assume that god must therefore be the one that brought you in to existence. It would be more rational to assume that you are god and created the world around you. We are all figments of your imagina...

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<t>High Threshold;1473877 wrote: It doesn't matter. What Jesus represented was infidelity to Judaism â€¦..... a blaspheme. Christianity itself is represented by the deeds and philosophy of Christians: discrimination, inequality, nepotism. The Messiah was to be King and establish a n...

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<t>FourPart;1473866 wrote: Jesus said to him, â€œI am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. (John 14) Sounds pretty exclusive to me. Do we not judge a persons actions as virtuous or condemnable? Who else totally con...

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<t>FourPart;1473851 wrote: As I said - That is the paradox. There is no paradox: as one cannot deny the existence of one's own consciousness. All you can deny is what you see, not the consciousness of your own existence. You seem to be having a problem understanding that what you se...

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<t>High Threshold;1473854 wrote: What Jesus was makes no difference at all. What he represents is what Christians profess â€¦.. and Christianity is Capitalist to think that only they can ascend to heaven. Jesus does not represent what today's professors of the religion hold to, that...

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<t>Where do we go from here? Biocentrism offers a springboard to make sense of aspects of biological and physical science which are currently insensible. Natural areas of biocentric research include the realm of brain-architecture, neuroscience, and the nature of consciousness itself. An...

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<t>All of the above are now finished for keeps. As we saw earlier, the profound influence of the observer is also clear in the famous two-hole experiment, which in turn goes straight to the core of quantum physics. If one watches a subatomic particle or a bit of light pass through slits o...

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<t>Quantum physics comes to a similar conclusion. At night you click off the lights and leave for the bedroom. Of course the kitchen is there, unseen, all through the night. Right? But, in fact, the refrigerator, stove and everything else are composed of a shimmering swarm of matter/energy. The resu...

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<t>A scientific swamp Then, too, in the last few decades there has been considerable discussion of a basic paradox in the construction of the universe. Why are the laws of physics exactly balanced for animal life to exist? There are over 200 physical parameters within the solar system an...

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<t>The following post will be made in 5 pieces and can be viewed at â€˜Biocentrismâ€™: How life creates the universe - Technology & science - Science | NBC News and is an abridged version of Robert Lanza's book from Biocentrism. Robert Lanza was voted one of the top 100 most influential people i...

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<t>High Threshold;1473837 wrote: It means that you've tossed logic out the window and opted for superstition - in hopes that there really is an "after life" - and that you'll be teacher's pet when you get there. Most us hope there is an "after life" but unlike those who believe in Jesus Christ as th...

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<t>FourPart;1473836 wrote: Therein lies the problem. Conciousness, being an abstract item is not something that can be proven. The human mind is essentially no different to a complex set of interlinking programs. A computer also has a complex array of interlinking programs, but the question is wheth...

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<t>FourPart;1473823 wrote: You've been watching The Matrix haven't you? You are moving into the realms of Philosophy, which is basically that of Imagination, but unlike Religion, Philosophy doesn't aspire to be anything other than that of the world of Imagination & Conciousness. ...

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<t>FourPart;1473774 wrote: You are using the same argument to prove the existence of a God as you would use to prove the non-existence of a God. Energy exists. It has always existed. Energy & matter are interchangable. Time has been demonstrated to be a dynamic ...

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FourPart;1473771 wrote: It's the age old Chicken / Egg situation. If nothing can some from nothing, then God cannot exist either.

Again you err: there must be an eternal first cause which by definition has no beginning.

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<t>FourPart;1470940 wrote: Without the conciousness of man the physical evidence of reality is not recognised. Cogito Ergo Sum. I think, therefore I am. I = Reality. Think = Abstract / Conciousness Am = Existence = Reality. You think there is a ...

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<t>FourPart;1470930 wrote: Blasphemer. That's Pink Flying ELEPHANTS. Besides you have also proven my point inasmuch as your God is no more plausible than my Pink Flying Elephants. I love false logic...lol You err: I have proven the physical world is equally pro...

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<t>FourPart;1470918 wrote: Cogito Ergo Sum All you prove is that consciousness proves you exist, but it doesn't prove anything but consciousness exists: you are proving my argument here. Thank-you. The problem is that consciousness is all that one can prove and therefore eternal con...

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<t>gmc;1470899 wrote: You cannot proof something does not exist you are the one claiming god exists it is up to you to prove he does. posted by sheep Your hypothesis is that the physical came from eternal consciousness. Now prove it, I reject your hypothesis it is ...

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<t>FourPart;1470861 wrote: As I said to Pahu, nor can you disprove that Flying Pink Elephants don't exist. They are certainly no less credible. I love how you avoid dealing with the issue that consciousness actually makes logical sense to explain how the existence of the seen univer...

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<t>FourPart;1470755 wrote: Your argument is not only irrelevant, it's wrong. The word 'believe' is a verb & the way in which I have used it is correct. However, the fact that it is a verb has nothing to do with the subject of belief. 'Move' is a verb, but the context in which it is used has noth...

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<t>FourPart;1470724 wrote: Utterly wrong. I believe in Jesus as the person he is on record as heving existed. You are trying to say that this is to believe in the superstition that others attribute to him. These are 2 totally different beliefs. One is absolute. The other is abstract. <br/...

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<t>FourPart;1470635 wrote: I believe that he was a man who existed & that he was basically a Hippy Guru - a total Political Revolutionary, with such a novel aspect on life that, just as with latter day philosophers, took those that came across him by storm. No 'Son' of an imaginary Deity. Just a...

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<t>What does it mean to "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ". About 90% of the time the word believe (used in the new testament part of the bible) comes from a Greek word which is a verb and a verb is an action word. If you want to know what you really believe look at your actions: as your...

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<t>LarsMac;1468985 wrote: All I have to say is that you presume much about me, and you are wrong, both in your presumptions about me, and pretty much everything you have come up with in this thread. I have seen some interesting interpretations of the Bible in my sixty-odd years of being ...

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<t>LarsMac;1468964 wrote: What the Heck are you going on about? So you tell your kids it is OK to Lie, kill, steal, cheat on your spouse, hate your parents and hate your god, as long as you do it for love? It's nothing to do with judging other people, it is about how you trea...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1468807 wrote: Well, thanks for the quotes, it must have taken you a long time to dig them up, but in doing so you have ruined your own credibility, if it ever existed, because the verse that FOLLOWS, which you have not quoted but which we both know is there, describes the creation of ...

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<t>LarsMac;1468900 wrote: The title of this thread is a lie. You cannot be a follower of Christ, and ignore the Ten Commandments. Larsmac, I use to go to the 7th day Adventist church and bought into all the junk you have bought into and probably more, but then I couldn't...

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<t>FourPart;1468791 wrote: I am far from being opposed to the teachings of Jesus, as far as pacificism is concerned. My issue is with how he is associated with being some fictional Divinity. Why can't people simply accept his teachings for what they are without making so much more of it. Dickens wro...

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<t>FourPart;1468788 wrote: Crusades: Slaying the infidels for the Greater Glory of God. Inquisition: Torture anyone & everyone into admitting they are Satanists, and then put them to death for being so - for the Greater Glory of God. Dissolution of the Monasteries: Persecut...

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<t>FourPart;1468785 wrote: I was watching a presentation by some Islamic preacher (formerly a Christian preacher) on YouTube last week (I don't recall his name - Sheik Yusef something or another I think). The thing is that he made a very good point that before Hebrew there was Aramaic, and that the ...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1468771 wrote: You're just taking the thread around in circles, wasting not only my time but that of other viewers. I have already admitted that I know very little about the Hebrew language, but I know enough to realize that it is not structured anything like the Western Eur...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1468734 wrote: The Hebrew does me no good at all, but I checked several other translations, ALL of which have either "then" or "and" or both. You say that most don't - please name 4 or 5 of those that don't. It is certainly possible that there is no word for "then" in Hebrew...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1468723 wrote: Obviously not - they are not Hebrew words. The translators used those words to reflect the intent of the original language. Except for a few 'catch phrases' I know virtually nothing of the Hebrew language, that is why I rely on the translation of experts. ...

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<t>Mark Aspam;1468711 wrote: 1. One of us is. 2. Yes, it is. Did you even study the English language in grade school? We have a past (created garden) and a past perfect (HAD created man). The translator makes that - man before garden - clear because it reflects the intent of the original ...

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<t>FourPart;1468693 wrote: I actually believe in the existence of Jesus, and that he was, in his time, a revolutionary Guru - an ancient time Hippy (or as Rigsby put it (at least I think it was Rigsby) "Of course he was a hippy. Long hair ... wore sandals ... didn't have a job"). On the whole I've g...

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<t>FourPart;1468696 wrote: On the contrary. I've always been a Pacifist. I just see Religion as the age old catalyst for generating hatred & violence. I am a pacifist also and so was Jesus, but I don't understand why you are against me trying to correct people that have embraced...

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