<t>Adstar;1379052 wrote: [QUOTE=Mickiel;1378285]<br/> <br/> If you really had any kind of measure of the Love of Jesus. Any at all. You would have a deep interest in me and everyone else in this forum. But i see you don't. <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> All Praise The Ancient Of Days<br/> Hello Adstar, why...

<t>So would you agree in human terms that his logic and common sense are very limited. I do not wish somebody to make me belive anything I just wish to discuss what a Giod is and proof that it is true and not as it seems a figment of peoples imagination. Who of the people who said they have seen and...

<t>Mickiel;1378398 wrote: [QUOTE=littleCJelkton;1378355]<br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/> Well you just keep reading and asking your questions, because there are unlimited proofs of God. And I am going to keep listing them. Hearing, tasteing and smelling are proofs of God, evidence of Anthropic de...

<t>Mickiel;1378302 wrote: I like expressing myself and my views. I like the freedom to do that. Now if you cannot understand that, then its nothing to worry about. I hold just as much right as you do to express our views. Now you may have reasons for expressing yourself that I don't share; you may d...

<t>Mickiel;1378300 wrote: God is " The First", and there had to be a first. In causation, there had to be a first cause; that is God. In motion, there had to be a first mover; that was God. In Consciousness, there had to be a first consciousness; in intelligence, there had to be a first intelligence...

<t>Mickiel;1378288 wrote: I repeat, I am not interested in helping you, and I hold no intrest in trying to do that. What people believe is their business, and I hold no intrest in convincing people about anything concerning God. I am not intrested in the things " You are considering." I couldcareles...

<t>Mickiel;1378286 wrote: I hold no intrest in helping you, and I am not trying to do that. I am simply posting my views.<br/> <br/> <br/> I meant it in the way that the fact you are talking to me is a help in my life and as I pointed out this also applies to all humans. So what ever our intentions ...

<t>Mickiel;1378256 wrote: Is God real? Remember " Deliberately done." Its proof of a thing. If you walk down a street and find a quarter on the ground- you may think someone dropped it; then you continue walking and find 4 quarters on the ground, you may think somebody has a hole in their pocket. Bu...

<t>Mickiel;1378230 wrote: Is God Real? Well if you look at planet earth, all the conditions to substain human life are in place; Why is that? Everything we need, is here- and nowherelse that we are aware of. You know what, that right there is proof of God; plain and simple. The earth was " Deliberat...

An invisible or imaginary plant is not a problem just as a God is not a problem its what the plant and or God are said to have done and often demand we do and say that is the problem especialy when people follow even telling children about there friend in the corner.

<t>Hello all.<br/> <br/> What an interesrting subject most of you have made from my thread. Some points a bit beyond my understanding. To Spot I must add top class words especialy when you comment on children and how they are taught with regards to religion. I still see death as something no human c...

<t>If I may but in on the last few messages. I think when we all give opinions we must be carefull our words do not distract for the argument and I think such words as mental illness, antisocial, plus maybe one or two others that are pointed at the person and not at the discussion.<br/> <br/> Regard...

<t>Hi again Spot.<br/> <br/> Yes but how to do it is the main problem.<br/> <br/> Science is single things for us to look at of which there are millions of points and religions are the same so I would say its imopossible to just stop them we must raise points within them and discuss them. A club wit...

<t>Hello Spot.<br/> <br/> I am sorry you took exception to it especialy as you said it was a sugestion and that is what I implied.<br/> <br/> I think you are wrong to say something is "sheer mental illness" because of what a person believes. You said enquiry was a necersary step" and that is what we...

<t>A good answer and something I am sure most people believe in what ever there beliefs. I do get the impression with my limited knowledge that "some" faiths invented afterlife and where you go to as in heaven and hell. May I ask if your religion does say in any way if something happens after death ...

It appears religions rely on our death to keep it going.

My opinion is its faulse of it to do this because My life cannot end for me. Will your life end and you know it.

<t>Hi Adstar. I am sorry you only get vagueness from my reply, and will if you wish take each centence/paragraph rewrite it and explain my meaning of it hopefully with more clarity. I do wish to reply and have not said differently as my replies are in answer to what your God appears to me to be and ...

<t>For me your words are not makeing this God easy to understand or even want to be associated with. My love of ALL people as a human far outways what you describe your God to be, he has no thought for individuals in how they come to be what they are nore to give help to those who most need it. Allw...

<t>(It is Gods will to allow people who have rejected the love of His Message to be given over to deception. Part of that deception is false religion. So it is not Gods inability at all. All those who are open to embrace His truth will be guided into understanding what they need to understand. Other...

<t>First to LittleCJelkton, now what you wrote is common sense and a logical way.<br/> <br/> Mickiel thanks for return. You answered one line with regards to common sense and one of my reasons for saying your God was illogical and withiout common sense was because he only tokld a few people about hi...

<t>When did humans start to get left to ourselves with our theorys conjectures and not attempt to solve our problems. Surely this must have been from when we "started". If a God exists then his logic and common sense in trying to help are and were very poor. Just a few people "he/she" spoke to were ...

<t>Thanks Micklel and you make some interesting points. You say "if I am not going to believe" so have you any idea why I am not going to believe and how come you do believe. How are you able to say and know we are all destined to be with God and I cannot have an end and know I have ended so death a...

<t>Hello Adstar. You appear to be makeing excuses for a Gods inability to let him/her self be known with accuracy ie all people knowing the same words of a God. Think of what God is said to have done and then think of what God is not able to do and ask yourself why this is so. At the moment I am con...

<t>I respect your belief in a God as long as you do not harm to others in anyway because of it and I do believe that is so with you if I am reading your words correctly. So back to the original question as to whether "God" whatever it is is real. I beleive it not to be so in the way people say it is...

<t>Does it matter that a "God" is not easy to understand and does it or should it matter whether the person who follows might be of limited understanding or even the same understanding of a "Gods" words. Does your knowledge with regards a God only come from the Bible or from all known writeings and ...

<t>Thanks for return Mickiel. Would you say "God" is easy to understand and if its the greatest question you know of may I ask what the answer is in your eyes and how did you come by it. May I ask if you lead a life according to a God and if so where did or does you knowledge come from to be able to...

<t>Does it matter whether God is something or not, what matters is now and what we do and say now. A faith does not matter because its to difficult to follow and understand with any accuracy. We can discuss any one point within a religous book but I say its impossible to just discuss the whole book....